Arcanesoul wrote:Jouliont wrote:If you haven't known by now, I did salvage where half the members were from cake. I'm just telling you from my experience as to what worked and what will work. In the end of it all, it's easy to setup a group to farm floors but when it comes to bosses, you gotta be able to climb all floors plus have time to kill the boss. W/ that, it all comes down to if biz wants to farm floors or be able to make a group that can also climb up and beat bosses as well. And btw, it's not hard to farm another weapon key. It usually takes about 2k DMG to kill those mobs on the first floor. Penta thrust goes for above 1K so it'll be pretty quick. It's all about the over time factor that is what you should worry about. I won't go more into details about this til I hear what biz plans to do.
I know you've done salvage before, and give you credit for the practical experience (I do agree with a lot of what you've said, like haste making a massive difference, and the over time factor). I just think though, that you may be overestimating expectations from people gathered from a social shell, but Stan seems to have outlined a lot of the problems you had. People really don't want to be told, gear up better, make sure you're there every week on time, etc, otherwise imo they'd be happy in an endgame shell. Cake certainly does have a good mix of players from well geared, skilled and knowledgeable, to others who really aren't worried about maxing dmg, or using half their abilities, or gear swapping and such. Salvage is going to be a lot more stressful if anyone expects more casual players to "play better", but in my opinion being able to do the event and being flexible is going to get us further than not doing it all. Having the bodies because people find the event fun is going to be more enjoyable than being able to get to the chariot each time (although hopefully that'll come with time). Granted it goes against the whole notion of Salvage (i.e. a small focused group), but I really don't think that kind of commitment is going to be found here (otherwise you'll have some established groups going strong now), since there's more to it that just the event itself (e.g. gil for upgrading armour, merc rank to do easy assaults, and have enough for the pass, etc).
I think that Biz really is going to have his work cut out for him (assuming this is the path he's choosing), but as long as no one is ragging on anyone else for stuff like gear or being inconsistent, it'll make that task easier. I'm hoping the casual friendly environment thing works out, even though it's not the most efficient way from the get gear standpoint. Although, that's Biz's choice in the end, and we'll have to see whether he want's the half-way house or the take-all-comer's-that-listen approach.
Sorry, I ramble a lot (and sometimes for no good reason) ...
Well I like to ramble also, it is not a problem. Main thing is max, janeth, me , and jouliont, and minimax were interested, soma either did not come on days forcing us to cancel or we only had tse... we also took shadowstar with us. Shadowstar was ok, problem was soma tse, who pissed us off a lot, with lotting cells. I could need a cells so i can pull and not die then soma still had not passed on the shit I needed... while other have resulting with me going into red and wasting mp, or getting one shot by stuff like scorps. janeth and mini as mages were ok but we needed to switch the roles around and somehow get max in janeths spot, so she could come on a better job her on rdm in there was taxing on her with the mess going on. Tse either way was away for a while and not used to TOA ffxi, even then it should take 1-2 months to get used to things, and the way he was acting in salvage was not a question of the gear he has.. it was playing ability. Shadowstar was ok and not a problem and was learning faster than soma and tse.. as i said soma was hardly there.... if not at all. We just needed a new group of people, who were interested in stuff, soma seems too laid back for something like salvage, and tse it probably is not for him, thats it. it has nothing to do with cake member's because of the way it was, either way cake members should find a way to better gear, I mean not in a eletist way just do make them more effective knowing they love what they are going to do and willing to listen.
Final thing we could have go by as is, I was on the verge of leveling monk, when my console starting acting stupid and not loading pol, it would get to the console screen and the symbol after going through the ffxi thing and would not load pol,. so me and maximillian were gone since early/mid November. I was going to talk to bugs and fix things up, I do not see salvage as having a point system it is pointless in a static such as this. I helped revise the system joul was using because I was i a rush and when we went inside salvage we saw people get gear from mobs and the rest went free lot, can' just let them dissapear. That is how it happened, and was pretty much it. We would have been going on and fine because I had set up a strat for deeper in; even with the people we had we would still win. All we were doing was farming, I have tried out bugs ls for fun when he was shouting for sams in salvage, so it is not like I was a n00b when we started the salvage static.
Either I went on sam , or we got another thf with th4. Because we needed a competent thf and me being a vet dynamis puller (pull northlands), I had to stay on thf.
It is not a question of gear really, some members did not seem interested in what we were doing and it was off beat, if you were there arch you would have understood what I mean.
. It really was not a question of competence, casual gamers think casual, fun is fun. It is a game after all, no one is wrong in this thread.